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11/10/2010 5:59:00 AM
Church looks to end its long Journey home
JC AMBERLYN/MinerThe old Ashley Furniture location on Stockton Hill Road, photographed Tuesday. Journey Church is looking to purchase the building as a permanent home for the church.
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The old Ashley Furniture location on Stockton Hill Road, photographed Tuesday. Journey Church is looking to purchase the building as a permanent home for the church.

Erin Taylor
Miner Staff Reporter


KINGMAN - Journey Church has lived up to its name since it was founded in September 2007, moving seven times in the last three years.

"I'm on a first-name basis with the city after applying for so many conditional use permits," joked Pastor Mark Rice.

Rice hopes that his church has found a new home with an offer to buy the old Ashley Furniture building under terms of a short sell from the bank that took it over after the owner filed for bankruptcy.

The 42,000-square-foot facility was built two years ago for $4.7 million. When the owner fell on hard times, he offered it to Rice for $3.8 million, a price tag Rice called a deal but one he still couldn't afford.

It was only recently that the bank came calling with an offer to sell for $1.6 million.

Rice said the deal makes sense, given that buying 10 acres of land and a new 30,000-square-foot facility would cost around $5 million for the church anyway.

Journey Church is now starting a funding campaign to come up with the $267,000 needed for a down payment. They already have about $70,000, with the rest hopefully collected by the end of December.

"We don't know the time crunch, but we know there are others looking at that building," he said.

The church's journey home has been a long time coming. They started out at Metcalfe Park and have held services in a number of places, including Manzanita Baptist Church, Mohave Engineering Associates, Manzanita Elementary School, and most recently, White Cliffs Middle School.

The move presents some interesting challenges. Every Saturday a crew of around 30 people spend an hour setting up their mobile church out of three huge trailers carrying everything from tables, chairs and sound systems to cribs and toys for the more than 200 kids that attend services.

They've also gotten creative with special services. Weddings are held at neighboring churches, and more than 150 members have been baptized in the therapy pool at the Kingman Regional Medical Center Wellness Center.

Rice said he had no idea when he founded the church with around 50 members from another community church that the name "Journey" would be so fitting.

"Our motto lately has been, 'If you can find us, you can join us," he said.

He said the congregation, which now stands at more than 750 members, experienced a significant growth spurt several years ago when a group of people who graduated from high school together began encouraging one another to join. Since then, he said, "It's been an amazing story of friends inviting friends."

Rice hopes owning its own facility will allow the church to become a gathering place for the community. Preliminary plans show the front two-thirds of the Ashley building to be used for a worship center, with the back one-third set for a fellowship hall, offices and sports courts for kids. Rice envisions an after-school program for kids once the project is completed.

Future plans would also call for buying additional property around the building for parking.

"Our finances are modest, but that's going to be the miracle in all this," Rice said.

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Reader Comments

Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2011
Article comment by: Steve Rice

I'm Steve Rice, Mark Rice's older,(middle) brother.
I don't live in AZ.these days, and I've been through Kingman many times as a truckdriver. If you have not met Mark and his family please allow me to encourage you to do so. Take it from me, a lifelong observer, (and not just bcause he's my brother), if you are not accustom to meeting truly
beautiful people that rivals the greatest this world have to offer, literally, and then does something totally unexpected that "beautiful people" are not usually known for, (when you meet and get to know them), and turns it around on you and makes you the beautiful person instead, (you know, like they say Jesus did), then please by all means, you gotta meet Mark and his family. Don't miss out! Visit Journey Church for yourself. And maybe when you see more light shinning there than "Vegas" possibly, then maybe you'll find your life changing for the better, and you will realize why Mark's ministry is worth your support too...
Consider it a challenge! Check out Mark's church. See why he won "Church Planter of the Year". You'll know I wasn't just a supportive brother who's bordering on the delusional. (You should of seen him in high school, when the most beautiful girls and plenty others in a So Cal area flocked around him constantly. The only difference was they didn't necessarily want to "have him", but it was definately obviously to me they seemed to need to be around him, near him, with him... It's the Gospel Truth! Your's truly Steve Rice,


Posted: Wednesday, November 17, 2010
Article comment by: nnp nnp

@Maple Lyn.....all I could be sure of that night was that two people were awake in the middle of the night, and that's it (unlike the "neighbors" next to my room, for which I really hold the hotel manager for doing nothing). I've given this some thought - this was the 2nd or 3rd week of June 2008 and it was the second to the last room (on the right) on the bottom floor facing the parking lot. Maybe they keep records who was there at that time. If I had actually seen someone harming a child, I would have done more. Having done volunteer work with homeless people in Las Vegas before moving to Las Vegas, I knew the role of police and had absolutely no desire to contact them. And, yes, I've gone from non-descript to having to speak out about what is taking place on other counts. It's real, and that's all I will say now.

Posted: Wednesday, November 17, 2010
Article comment by: Allan Gleason

I just read through this morass of quibbling about some church trying to gain a footing here in Kingman.

My problem is that since virtually everyone is anonymous with silly names (which I'm sure they change at will) the commentary becomes a series of tirades rather than a coherent discussion. So why does this paper allow anonymity? Why should anyone be so ashamed of their opinion that they have to conceal their identity?


Posted: Tuesday, November 16, 2010
Article comment by: Maple Lyn

nnp nnp -

Thank you for your response however, even though you blame the manager of the hotel for inaction you were a witness to horrific child abuse, you did nothing therefor are equally to blame. That you were, as I said earlier, "glib" in your discription of what happened to a helpless, naked little girl proves you were not really concerned at all.

You were responsible to call the police. You were responsible to do whatever you could to rescue those children. If those children are now dead, you are at least partly responsible for that as well.

How were you hoping to set up a nondiscript, quiet life in a new city, when you witness a child rape the first night you spend there? I understand your excuses but I do not accept them ... nor can I understand how you sleep at night. Shame ... shame ... shame on you.


Posted: Tuesday, November 16, 2010
Article comment by: nnp nnp

@Maple Lyn.....I was dead tired after returning from VA medical appointments up in Las Vegas. It was nearly 3 A.M., and I tried knocking on the manager's door repeatedly and nobody answered. Later that morning, I finally told the (woman) manager, also mentioning the "family" next to my unit where I could hear a young child about 4 or 5 years of age being battered against the wall, screaming "no, mommy, don't do that again!" As far as I know, the manager did nothing. I know that when I left that place about three weeks later, the people next door were still at it each night. Those people also fired up a "BBQ" on the asphalt parking lot there one night, and the "father" danced around the fire drunk, and nobody at the Orchard Inn did a thing about it. Maybe you won't understand why a person moving to another state where he is hoping to set up a quiet and non-descript life would not be anxious to jump right into the first bowl of garbage he runs into. No, I did not call the police. If the manager did not either, with the information I gave her, she should probably have been criminally charged.

Posted: Tuesday, November 16, 2010
Article comment by: tsol. patriot

Too many churches? How about too many self proclaimed intellectuals who believe that they are their own gods. Too many crackheads,too many thoughtless me generation idiots who believe the world revolves around them. Too many parents who care more about wealth than they do about their children. Oh my! Gotta have the biggest boat,best car,wife works to support,too many bills, 2nd job. Kids sent to school, drugs,rape,stabbings on busses, stranger's views taught to your kids. Wake up and see the light.

Posted: Tuesday, November 16, 2010
Article comment by: Maple Lyn

@ nnp nnp

Until I read this post, I found your observations irksome as I have mentioned in the past.

However, you now glibly admit seeing "a young naked girl about 7 or 8 years of age open the drapes in front of my parking space, then a large naked man grabbed her and hurriedly shut the drapes." Your post here has progressed from irksome to horrifying.

Did it occur to you this poor child was probably being raped? Perhaps she opened the drapes because she heard a car pull up and thought someone might help her. Did you call the police? Or maybe the child was Mexican so it didn't matter? Maybe you parked in that particular space because you knew the man and child were there and intended to participate?

Please answer this and tell me my speculations are wrong. Please tell me you called the police who came immediately to rescue that little girl. Please.


Posted: Tuesday, November 16, 2010
Article comment by: Pro Growth

@nnp nnp: Please keep your anti-Semitic comments to yourself. You went from quoting the Bible to "the Jews are running financial scams on Americans". Typical. As usual the more someone says they know Jesus, the more un-Christlike they are.
As Gandhi said: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
No one wants to hear your fear-based racist remarks.


Posted: Tuesday, November 16, 2010
Article comment by: just sayin

Miss Kidd, You are a joke and it already states in the article that they don't know how much time they have and others are looking at the building. i will not be sending anyone your way.

Posted: Tuesday, November 16, 2010
Article comment by: nnp nnp

@pro growth.....actually, at the beginning Jesus preached at a synagogue in his hometown. They thought he was rockin' until he mentioned being the Messiah. After that, they did their best to throw him off a nearby cliff. Read it for yourself. They don't have Jesus to kick around any more (something like Nixon), but they're doing a great job kicking American goyim around with their financial scams. Ooops, I got off topic. About Journey Church --- I really have nothing to say. One of them came to my front door recently and handed me an invitational tract. He said something about God being the answer to all my problems.

Posted: Tuesday, November 16, 2010
Article comment by: To Richard & the other negative writers Journey Chruch Supporter

May the Holy Spirit be with as you read this comment. You have made the comment that Jesus was never mentioned in the article that Pastor Mark spoke about, yet the word Church was mentioned 14 times. The dictionary's definition of Church is as follows a building for public Christian worship, a public worship of God or religious service in such a building. The definition of a Christian of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings another meaning of a Christian of pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ. I believe if you look at this article through righteous eyes you will see how many times Jesus really is mentioned. Here are a few more scriptures out of the bible. Proverbs 6:16-19 "There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers."
Proverbs 11:12 " A man who lacks judgment derides his neighbor, but a man of understanding holds his tongue."
Proverbs 11:27 " He who seeks good find good will, but evil comes to him that searches for it.."
I hope that the Holy Spirit comes to you with open arms and softens your heart. Perhaps you & your family would love to join us on Sunday mornings at White Cliff's Middle School on the corner of Airway & Prospector 9:00 or 10:45 a.m
To the ones that do not think we need any more churches in town, I believe this article is not only about a church place to worship the Lord, but I believe the article mentioned a place for a sports court for children, a place for children to come after school and for community events. You never know perhaps you might find yourself on a Fri or Sat evening playing a game of basketball or volleyball with other families in the planned sports court in the back part of the building or even attending a church dance or even a christian fellowship concert with different local church bands coming together to worship the Lord. All of these events would be open to all children & to all of the community. Journey Church has an open door policy & would love hear your ideas. You can contact us at www.JourneyKingman.com or at 757-4520
To the people that wonder why we have moved so many times, well lets start by the definition of Journey a traveling from one place to another, usually taking a rather long time passage or progress from one stage to another: the journey to success. So hear we are now looking to make a permanent home for Journey Church. A place that you could hear the journey of Jesus and his disciples and how we might grow in our walk with Jesus.
May all of you that have questions about Journey Church & what Pastor Mark and what the youth leaders are teaching feel free to attend a service or two or threeeee & see what is being taught & see if perhaps this is the place for you & your family. My family & I have been attending for about 21/2 years, after searching many other churches in the community, this church welcomed us with open arms each and every one of us are like family weather you attend regularly or just attend once a year, you are still a part of a open armed family. We here at Journey Church would love to see many new faces and for you to be a part of this wonderful congregation . May God be in all of our hearts. May God declare his glory among all nations, that his marvelous deeds be among all people. Amen!


Posted: Monday, November 15, 2010
Article comment by: Pro Growth

@are you kiddin:
What's your beef? This article is about a "chuch" as you call it, and about the Ashley furniture building, and as the other 20 out of 30 comments have shown, different ideas to do with said building. For clarification the listing agent wrote the correct price and it's current status.
By the way, why does anyone's God need a cage? My God can be worshipped from anywhere. And didn't Jesus preach outdoors, and never in a temple?


Posted: Monday, November 15, 2010
Article comment by: Just A Suggestion

Ok, here's a thought.... All contributions to charitable, non-profit, and church organizations are 100% tax deductable. Has anyone tried or even considered asking the owner of the property to donate it? I mean heck, it's worth a shot, right? That would be a HUGE tax write-off if they got it in by years end! I knew the pastor of a church in Reno who got land down town, a small chapel from the military (that was going to be demolished as the base had shut down), and a contractor to move it and it only cost $1.00! When the church out-grew the building and property, he did it again and even built a church school for next to nothing! He got a roofing company to donate all their services as write-offs, and other services as well. Sadly, he passed away 7 years ago, half the congregation left, and the property fell into dis-repair.

Posted: Monday, November 15, 2010
Article comment by: ~Are U Kiddin, Ms Kidd ~

I can't believe you just advertised on here, Ms. Kidd! If people want to buy the building then thats fine but this is an article about a chuch...not your need to sale something. Shame on you, is it all about the money, Ms Kidd??

Posted: Sunday, November 14, 2010
Article comment by: Angela N Kidd

JUST TO CLARIFY:
I am the current listing agent for this property and there is not a current offer on this property. It is available for sale at $1,449,000 to the entire public. I wish the church good luck in coming up with the funds to purchase but until it is under contract it is available to all purchasers. I have asked the paper to clarify this information and apparently they have posted on PAGE 2 on 11/14 Sunday.
Angela N Kidd


Posted: Sunday, November 14, 2010
Article comment by: Angie Bischoff

The church keeps moving because we keep growing!!! Praise God...

Posted: Saturday, November 13, 2010
Article comment by: Janet Sammons

I do not belong to this church so I do not have a biased opinion one way or the other.
If the people who belong to this church want a huge building with a high price on it, then fine! It's none of our business. I bet they have a finance committee that has looked long and hard about the situation. If they think it's possible, then it's possible. Who are we to question them.
I hope the very best for this church and all of it's members. It seems that they have worked hard to remain a congregation, and face challenges each week by having a church in a trailer! I love the sense of humor the Pastor has!
Why don't we just rally around these folks instead of trying to make it harder on them.
As far as the kids, I would rather see the kids in this town involved in a church sponsored activity than at a local rec center that we all know would be an incredibly dangerous place to be in within weeks of it's opening.
Good luck Journey, and God bless you all!


Posted: Saturday, November 13, 2010
Article comment by: City or County should buy it

I agree with Randy Thode. I think the city government should take advantage of it if it is in the city or the county if it is county.

Posted: Saturday, November 13, 2010
Article comment by: Just Asking

I'd just like to know why this church has moved so many times - it expects something for nothing, it's too picky, why?

Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010
Article comment by: L D

I have no problem with them wanting a perm local. I just think this is way too big and too costly for a church in a small community. Mark Rice is a great guy, and I wish the Journy Curch followers the best.

Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010
Article comment by: A voice from somewhere ...

All that aside, don't you all think we've got too many churches already? Do we really need another one? I'm for getting rid of a few of the ones we have.

Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010
Article comment by: Sarah Kelly

To "Where the Spirit Takes Me" and anyone else wanting to find us so they can join us:

We currently meet at White Cliff's Middle School, just off Airway, past the new hospital. We meet Sunday mornings at 9am and 10:45am. If you'd like more info about us, check out our website at journeykingman.com!

We look forward to meeting you!

Blessings,
Sarah Kelly


Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010
Article comment by: Please Join Us

To Where the Spirit Takes Me - and ANYONE Else reading these coments! :) We would love to have you join us for worship on Sundays! We currently meet at White Cliffs Middle School with services at 9:00 and 10:45! Come join us on the Journey! :)

Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010
Article comment by: Where the Spirit takes me

To Richard Lee: I do not mean this in a menacing way Richard, but you sir, and people like you, are the reason people like me have shied away from affiliation to organized religion. I believe in a benevolent God who wants us to treat each other with respect, and project the love that He has for all of us. I do not know passages from the bible to speak for what I feel in my heart, but I do know, when I go to church I donít want to hear nasty hateful things about other people. If youíre saying it about others, then it must be what you feel inside for yourself. I have chosen to praise God away from the negative people that congregate, supposedly under His name. I will pray for you Richard! On the other hand, all the posts I see here that seem to come from members of Journey Church are the type of people I can see myself congregating with. Positive, happy, non-judgmental people with a sense of humor! "If you can find us, you can join us"... now, that right there, is funny stuff! I always knew God had a sense of humor too! So, where is this church meeting right now? I wanna find you, maybe Iíll join you!

Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010
Article comment by: Charlie Spears

Wow...lot of negativity out there simply because a church put an offer on a building that's vacant. The writer that simply suggests that the Pastor should drive something smaller and older simply because of what it looks like to him is a little flippant and pretty comical in this day and age and has absolutley nothing to do with his 750 member church getting the monies togather if that is what they want to do as a community of believers. My thoughts is if they can raise the money and then afford it as a part of their business then so be it, I can think of worse things here in the community but to randomly attack a guy for doing something or believing his church can accomplish something that is not in line with your thoughts is pretty irresponsible if you are a believer and to add your biblical references to support them is not in line with scripture itself. Journey do what's best for your mission here in Kingman. If that's this building and that building helps you reach out and affect a city then go for it despite what naysayers have to say.


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