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5/21/2013 6:00:00 AM
Letter: Realtors oppose city property tax

Mayor John Salem and City Council:

As president of the Kingman-Golden Valley Association of Realtors, I felt obligated to respond to the recent comments by the City Council regarding property taxes and the possibility that a tax may be put on the ballot to the citizens of Kingman.

The Kingman-Golden Valley Association of Realtors will use our local influence and available assets in coordination with the citizens of Kingman and will form partnerships with other like-minded groups, individuals and organizations, throughout the city, county and state, to fervently defend our property and tax status.

As a business owner myself, I have felt the cuts that have been required of my business as much as anyone in the city. It is the belief of the association directors that further cuts can be made by the city of Kingman to avoid an additional tax upon the citizens. The association also believes additional taxes will reverse the recent growth that we are experiencing in both residential and commercial properties which will compound the problems the city and local businesses are currently experiencing.

The answer to a deficit is twofold: 1) All business and Government entities must cut budgets to meet incomes; and 2) Government needs to work with private business owners to add additional businesses to the rolls, thus bringing in additional income and growth. It is not possible to tax ourselves out of a recession.

Please feel free to contact me at any time with any questions.

Dwayne E. Patterson, President

Kingman-Golden Valley Association of Relators

Broker/Owner-ReMax Prestige Properties


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Reader Comments

Posted: Tuesday, May 28, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Frankie

“They're still there, AN.”

Actually they are not. What military presence we have in Iraq is a small force to protect our embassy personnel with a total of less than 200 – just as we have in every other country where we have a diplomatic presence. Example – I was posted to Berlin from 1962 to 1965 and none of the military there were classified as combat troops – i.e. engaged in actual combat.

“I wonder what the death toll is up to now in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not the war totals, just the dead since he took office.”

So the dead troops during the Reign of Error of the only convicted criminal to ever be placed in the White House don’t count in the rightie world? Fascinating.

However, those of us who live in the real world do consider the deaths of 6,6486 of our troops to be important. And to answer your question 2,278 of our troops have died since Obama took office in 2009 (figures from Faces of the Fallen 5-19-13, Washington Post)

“And as always, just our dead. I have no concern at all for dead muslims/terrorists.”

Ahh, what a wonderful Christian attitude you have.


Posted: Friday, May 24, 2013
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

One thing that can be depended on is the cyber trolls who sit under these cyber bridges, jump out demanding a toll of information, proof of anything and everything whether it means anything or not its just their nature! Much like the fairy tale troll one can pay their toll or ignore them and pay none!

Posted: Thursday, May 23, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

How about this:

"Starting the day he took office in January 2009, Obama set out a timetable for ending the Iraq war. That culminated with his announcement in October 2011 that all U.S. troops would depart Iraq by Christmas.

"Today, I can report that, as promised, the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year," Obama said at the White House. "Our troops will definitely be home for the holidays."
************

They're still there, AN. I wonder what the death toll is up to now in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not the war totals, just the dead since he took office. And as always, just our dead. I have no concern at all for dead muslims/terrorists.

Here's the link. If it is not leftist enough for you.....tough.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/aug/05/obamas-wartime-presidency/

LOL


Posted: Thursday, May 23, 2013
Article comment by: Just A. Citizen

Who cares what realtors want, or don't want. Thanks a bunch for a couple years of struggle thanks to realtors selling folks property they couldn't afford.
I say, lets do to realtors what Reagan did to air traffic controllers.


Posted: Thursday, May 23, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

Of course Realtors would oppose a city property tax. As a rule I would guess that properties in the city are more attractive to new home buyers and those moving to the area. I would also guess that city properties sell for more on average than similar properties in GV...not including McMansions.

Since mid-range properties ($80-150K) are pretty much a Realtors bread and butter...anything that decreases their chance of selling them in a specific area is something they would oppose, even if it might be the best answer to a degraded infrastructure.

I would prefer a small property tax over the fluctuating sales tax we currently have. As long as the law was written correctly of course. None of that 2% increase per year that we have to deal with with the County. At least with a property tax you can know exactly what you will be paying each year.


Posted: Thursday, May 23, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Frankie

“So did obama....what's your point?”

Okay, now I will ask you to provide some empirical evidence of Obama’s lies. Be specific, okay? Oh, and no FAUX News or WND.


Posted: Thursday, May 23, 2013
Article comment by: J J

The thing that people seem to not realize is the salary and benefits of the employees of the city are but one aspect of where the taxes go. People keep talking about cuts to spending. Well those cuts are going to have to be to services.

This town already has terrible roads, unpaved roads, roads without sidewalks, sidewalks covered in weeds, old police cars, poorly designed drainage, etc. what else do you want to get rid of? What else can be cut? Because if I were a realtor, the last thing I'd want potential relocating people to see is the horrible veneer that this city shows to all that drive through.

If you want a thriving city with plenty of new families moving to town, how about making the place look and feel amazing instead of complaint about a couple hundred dollars worth of tax on your home per year? I know I can and would gladly pay if it would even allow for the city to appear somewhat clean and modern.


Posted: Wednesday, May 22, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@anonymous anonymous

"Wow a county run and dominated by the fiscal conservatives in the republican party "

So why don't you and the other leftists just vote them out of office? After all, yo are the one endlessly screeching that so few people are Republicans. Oh wait, the independents don't vote for leftists in big enough numbers for you guys to pull it off.

"they lied to everyone to get elected!"

So did obama....what's your point?


Posted: Wednesday, May 22, 2013
Article comment by: Dean Wolslagel

I agree !

The City of Kingman budget is reflective of Washington DC and we need to change it !


Posted: Wednesday, May 22, 2013
Article comment by: Dwayne Patterson

I really doubt, there is a snow ball's chance of a property tax ever passing, However, after the City's chat over the sales tax the last few weeks, The local Association of REALTORS, wanted to let the City know, we will not support a property tax, and we will go to all lengths to fight a tax. Our point, and many of you have agreed, NO MORE TAXES of any type. Learn to live with in a budget as every family has had to do. Its amazing how a letter can bring out every emotion known to mankind, and many with no common sense what so ever. I have always believed in being proactive, therefore, we produced this letter.

Posted: Wednesday, May 22, 2013
Article comment by: one big fat criminal government..... .....

isn't everyone glad that the Arizona Governor cannot pass White House-style Executive Orders? Otherwise, your homes, everything in storage, bank accounts, everything would be subject to seizure whenever the Governor woke up on the wrong side of bed (that would be what you would be told by mainstream media, while the truth would be that the banking cartel's jig was up & the plug was being pulled on you).

Posted: Wednesday, May 22, 2013
Article comment by: mr. parker

The solution is to privatize wherever you can. Road repairs,sanitation, water supply,jail guards, etc. Go through a city government directory.

Sometimes, initial costs can be more but in the long run, taxpayers save because they aren't paying for legacy benefits that are strangling city,county and state budgets. Laid off workers could start their own businesses and bid for those contracts, they know how to do the work.

I don't know about police and fire, they seem to have cut personnel over the past few years, and public safety is the number one responsibility of government.

Don't enact a city income tax, in time, it will soon be the largest component of your property tax bill.
Trust me, I know.


Posted: Wednesday, May 22, 2013
Article comment by: Patriot WES

Dwayne, Really? You do not want a property tax bill to on the ballot for the people to vote on it?
You want to defend your tax status! Reality is there is no property tax, so therefore you do not have a tax status. You state you have made cuts to your business, Good for you. Governments do not cut, all they do is spend the same or more. I do agree with you that we cannot tax ourself out of a recession, but at the same time, a city needs basic services such as police and fire, and the courts. These services need to be provided in order to maintain a civil society. I would think for prospective buyers of real estate, you would like to mention the fact that Kingman has great police and fire departments, instead of the city is broke and they have had to cut essential services. Think you are being very selfish on this one (worried about you paycheck) not to let property tax be on the ballot!


Posted: Wednesday, May 22, 2013
Article comment by: Paul Bearer

@ Agreed

You can't be serious.....can you?

I have serious doubts that a property tax would ever get past the voters in Mohave County in this economy.


Posted: Wednesday, May 22, 2013
Article comment by: Henry George

Ironic since the real estate industry caused the longest recession since 1929 with their greed and arrogance. You should spend as much energy getting the City's money back from the legislature, who took much of it to balance their budget on the backs of City's services, and school districts, and let the local governments take the heat for Doris Goodale and her friends' actions. For years real estate dominated Arizona. You all bragged about whatever you wanted the legislature gave you, including the fraudulent takings and eminent domain referendum. What are you doing to help City services, rather than complain? Maybe we need a Statewide real estate transfer tax. Nevada has one. Michigan has one. California has one. But you complain about that too.

Posted: Tuesday, May 21, 2013
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

Wow a county run and dominated by the fiscal conservatives in the republican party and they raise taxes, raise fee's which both come from the same wallet, purses guess they have finally come out of their no tax closets and just admitted they lied to everyone to get elected!

Posted: Tuesday, May 21, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

As I have said before it is WAY past time to just disband the city of Kingman. Do away with the whole tax-sucking mess. No more schools, “liberal’ teachers, crooked cops, lazy firefighters or smelly trash collectors. Let the roads totally deteriorate back to dirt paths, let the water lines go dry, just dump it all.

The comments that appear here with marked regularity point out that the majority (well, the loudmouths at any rate) do not want to fund anything – period. comments like, “1) All business and Government entities must cut budgets to meet incomes ” do not take into consideration the fact that the Republican controlled state legislature (good job electorate) have screwed every community in this state by cutting funds, leaving the cities with no option than raising taxes to support existing services.

So what is the answer? Do away with the city. Why not, the loud-mouths all say they want to go shop anywhere but Kingman, they don’t want to support local businesses or the city itself, so why even have a city. Shut it down. Fire all city employees and put up a big fence and then sell tickets so real Americans can pay to come in and look at the stupidest town in the nation.


Posted: Tuesday, May 21, 2013
Article comment by: AGREED yes

i totally agree with dwane.
They first need to stop the chip seal and all of that. if people would slow down the roads would last longer. that entire dep can be laid off.

next get rid of the sanitation dept. or at least the big trucks running around the city, way way to expensive. the city needs to set up a drop off point, or collection point, where people can drop their trash off. out by the city maint building may be a good spot.

way to many cops, need about half

same with the KFD, if there are guys sitting around in the station while others are out putting out a fire, that is that many to many.

WE DO NOT NEED PARKS, or the pools. there is a big lake 30 mile away.

cut the golf course, not only save money but i am sure the realators would love the chance to develop that area.

Why is the city paying for street lights. if a business wants ligthts out front, let them put them up and maintain. if someone needs a lite to walk at night, try a flashlight.

why is their a city magistrate and city attorney, isnt that the counties job

......


Posted: Tuesday, May 21, 2013
Article comment by: janice palmer

Dwayne, I fully agree with you. a tax increase would not only hurt businesses, but retired, working people, and vets. I tried to tell them if they cut down on some of the useless projects they have had, then they could make the budget work. would they listen....guess.

Posted: Tuesday, May 21, 2013
Article comment by: My Brother's Keeper

I agree with Patterson. Government jobs are primo places to learn how to spend. Isn't it departments' goal to spend their whole budget, whether or not necessary, so their budget for the following year won't be cut back? Isn't part of the spending, too, to make things more cushy for the officials? I would rather see government tighten their belts one more notch than to see elderly neighbors lose their homes because of raised property taxes.

Posted: Tuesday, May 21, 2013
Article comment by: justanobody sr

why is it the only thing cities and counties ever want is to increase taxes!
how about wage cuts.
or benefit package cuts,
or number of employees cut.
the city seems good at buying buildings at high prices, and selling at low prices, maybe we need to eliminate who ever decides that poor decision.
there are many way to cut expenses, but they (city and county) only see taxes as the easy way.
well, guess what? the public is done funding your foolish ways and lavish expenses, time to do what your paid to do, save money and cut expenses!




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